Look Who Popped By

Wow! I wish someone had alerted me to this post, I would have responded sooner! I just happened to do a Google search on the wow factor and a few pages in this popped up. I was like, “Ooo, I wonder what they’re saying about the show?” – DOH

OK, so let me diffuse the package of explosives this thread seems to be hoping goes off. Sorry folks, no fireworks! And for the TLDR audience, let me sum it up: TROLL, GRRR, RANT, OOPS, I’M SORRY MOG MADNESS. 🙂

I should probably go back and listen to what I said during the show, but I’m pretty sure I recall the gist of what came out of my mouth. And the reason it fell flat on its face and I didn’t finish the thought was because I knew I was in the wrong to even bring it up.

What boiled over during the show was an interaction I’d had a few days earlier in trade chat where as I was announcing the upcoming WoW Factor show, someone was spouting off on me about the Simon Cowell of Azeroth. To be quite frank, I thought they were referring to me. I mean I modeled The WoW Factor and much of the way I promote it and bankroll it with Cowell and the X-Factor in mind, so I bit on the troll’s trolling and that’s when Mog Madness got mentioned.

I recognized the name because I’d seen it pop up in Cymre’s feed, as I follow her on Twitter, but I hadn’t checked in on it since I first saw it announced. So I went over to the site to check out why this troll felt what the real Simon Cowell of Azeroth and Mog Madness were doing was so much better than what we were doing. Only natural to want to look further into it, I suppose.

Anyway, long story short, I came away thinking the two contests were completely different. But in my mind I was also burying that trade troll because I really didn’t appreciate the bashing I got (it happens a lot when you announce these shows in trade, but this was particularly rough! I know, grow thicker skin, right?)

Anyway, so somebody said something in the livestream feed that triggered my interaction that had happened in trade and a bit of my frustration spilled over into the commentary. That’s why it probably sounds like a few moments of passionate ranting and then I trail off. I trailed off because my spider sense started to tingle, and I knew I was out of line because my beef wasn’t with Mog Madness or the format, it was with the troll that got under my skin.

Ironyca was right to say what she did, and if you notice, I completely back off because I knew I’d said the wrong thing in the wrong setting for the wrong reason.

I’d forgotten about it though, since nobody said anything to me after the show. So I’m really glad I happened upon this. So a couple of things…

1) I did notice Mara posting her “Monday Mog Madness” threads on the DEA forums and wondered if that was the right terminology to use, given I was aware a Mog Madness existed. I’ll have her change up how she titles her little challenges, because Mog Madness really should be its own entity and not mixed up with friendly challenges she’s doing on the forums.

2) Next time I’m on the livestream I’ll set the record straight on this and give y’all the best plug I can. But you’ve got to help me, is there going to be another one? Give me something to say more than just “there was this contest that is now over”. 😉

3) Anytime y’all want my take on things, sheesh please let me know! I’m juggling family life and my own business in addition to the WoW Factor, Disenchanting Azeroth weapon analysis articles, and catering to all of these different audiences that follow the things that I do so I can’t be everywhere. I need the help of the community to lay an ear or a word to things like this. Help keep me in the loop! My email is keelhaul@deazeroth.com, my Skype is deazeroth and my Twitter handle is @deazeroth. I’m always happy to get into a conversation about transmogrification, especially when it’s with fans of it that love it as much as I do.

4) I’m not elite. If I was, clearly I wouldn’t have let a troll get under my skin. If y’all have seen any of our shows, you’re aware how my tone and demeanor can change on a dime when it comes to players trolling what we do. And it only happens because I’m so passionate about it. Love what you do, bring passion to what you do, and people will believe in you. That’s clearly the basis of what’s also happening here with Mog Madness and I for one would like to learn more about it and what’s in store for it.

We can only do one realm at a time. I was sincerely hoping our format would be something that would go viral and multiple realms would start their own shows, but it’s kindof backfired and everyone’s asking us to come to them. That’s our achilles heel and what I feel is likely the strength of the format of Mog Madness. Anyone, anywhere can participate in your event. For ours, they have to wait or watch. We’re actually at a disadvantage, which is why we have to be so passionate about what we do, we’re actually underdogs having to go one realm at a time. So when I get trolled, I’ve been taking it personally lately. It’s something I need to work on, and I certainly didn’t mean to take it out indirectly on your endeavors here. If I really had something bad to say about Mog Madness, I would have said it. Lord knows my problem is sometimes I say too much. 😉

Don’t be a stranger, it’s just me.  🙂


Honestly, this was the last thing I had expected to see when I had new comments at the time I sat down for my break at work.  With all due respect to Keel, the whole incident was an afterthought given the last three days as it relates to WoW and bloggers. 

When I saw it, I immediately replied that I was giving this it’s own post because I didn’t want his words to be lost in the blog unless someone went hunting for it.  Otherwise, many who commented last week wouldn’t get to see the response.  And a response that I think truly tells the type of character Keelhaul is.  I’m also going to respond to it with my own thoughts, direct to him, basically in order of what he had to say.

  • Admitting you made a mistake right off the hop was a great start.  I’ve talked about how humble I am, and it’s a characteristic I admire.  It takes a strong individual to admit mistakes and to start off with that.
  • I do wish you had backtracked a bit on the spot, but as someone else pointed out in our discussion it felt like you quickly changed the subject (at the time).
  • Go figure.  I jokingly called myself Simon Cowell because we had three judges and some troll throws it in your face.  I’m glad to see that one of my theories was correct, as I tried to put myself in your shoes when analyzing it.
  • I’m not going to tell you to grow thicker skin.  I said you’re passionate about Transmogging and I knew it.  Sometimes when we’re passionate about something, if someone pushes the right button…what happens, happens.
  • I can speak for Tome and Effy in this case and say that we weren’t at all offended by the Monday Mog Madness in the DEA forums.  Truth be told, I didn’t even know about it until the same day your comments were brought to my attention.  Mara’s welcome to continue that as it doesn’t really impact us, in my opinion.
  • There will be more Mog Madness for certain.  I’ve got something else in the works for our next Transmogrification event (people still have until the end of the day if they’re interested in being a judge this go around).  If you want to give us a little plug, just mention JD says keep an eye on his blog towards the end of May.
  • I tried best I could to ping back to your website in the hopes that it got to you as I didn’t have an e-mail address or anything otherwise I certainly would have. 
  • I think WoW Factor is a brilliant idea and would love to have done it on one of the realms I’m on.  But honestly, as you said, people want you guys.  Even if you guys ok’d it, people would view anyone else running a WoW Factor as either a ripoff or a poor version. 

Passion.  It’s one of the recurring comments from both Keelhaul and myself, and if you don’t think it was displayed by the community when this first came to light last week you are fooling yourself.  There are plenty of communities within World of Warcraft and each one is no doubt just as passionate as we are.  As such, things can happen.  They did here.  But the important thing is recognizing mistakes happen.  When they do, this is how you resolve them as far as I’m concerned.

10 thoughts on “Look Who Popped By

  1. Töki May 1, 2012 / 1:24 am

    All’s well that ends well!

  2. Cymre May 1, 2012 / 8:55 am

    Ok, well I’m glad I was the middle (wo)man in this case. I’m happy to see there was some form of resolution, better late than never right? It was nice to get this from Keel’s POV as I admit I was a little miffed at the time because I was honestly feeling quite stressed towards the end of the comp. Don’t take that to heart though JD as it just goes to show how passionate I was about doing a good job.

    I was also ecstatic when I heard that the fashion show on Dath was happening the other night and the WoW Factor judges would be there. But thirdly, it was going to be on my birthday – that was three pluses right there! Shame Keel wasn’t there in the end, I did write about the event on my blog (if you missed it).

    Funny you should talk about Google though as I just did a search for my name where this was the 2nd entry on the first page. What goes around comes around 🙂

  3. tomeoftheancient May 1, 2012 / 12:45 pm

    Thanks for posting his reply here. I can’t even begin to imagine how much trolling he gets. I was horrified to see Navi taking so much flak on her win.

    You’ve got that right, there’s lots of passion in the game. I enjoy the good kind, that’s evident in the competitors in events like Mog Madness and The WoW Factor. And I’m going crazy wondering what you’ve thought up to go with that image, oh, when will you reveal it!

    • JD Kenada May 1, 2012 / 1:09 pm

      Shhhh…you and the other judges will get details soon enough. The general public is going to have to wait a bit yet.

  4. Marrra May 1, 2012 / 6:47 pm

    Wow, so I am a terrible mog person for not even knowing of this Mog Madness! I wish I had – it sounds like it would have been a blast! But I do apologise – I honestly thought I made up the unique Mog Madness title for my posts until Keelhaul pointed it out to me. I would never want to cause any (even indirect) drama over naming similarity or anything, so I’m gonna change my challenge name 🙂

    I hope to see more of your Mog Madness soon – I’d love to take part 😀 Any excuse for making more outfits!

    • JD Kenada May 1, 2012 / 6:56 pm

      Hi Marra,
      Again, to the best of my knowledge none of us had any problem with you Mog Madness. I used the term (as the contest suggested) to coincide with NCAA March Madness. Look at it this way, great minds think alike!

      There will be more Mog Madness, but the next one won’t be for a while. There’s something else on the horizon though.

      (speaking of which, I need to e-mail my fellow judges…)

  5. Navimie May 3, 2012 / 4:15 pm

    I am glad he responded, and I’m glad you posted it. I disagree with one thing he said though – he said he wasn’t elite, but my personal opinion is that he is. Those judges are all very knowledgeable, though I also put Kamalia in that category too and she is the sweetest darn bovine I’ve come across 🙂

    • JD Kenada May 3, 2012 / 4:41 pm

      I think it’s all in the eye of the beholder. If you do things that you are passionate about, to the best of your ability, then there’s a good chance you’re going to be better than average. I’m not saying Keelhaul is average by any stretch, but just trying to put it in perspective. I’m sure Kamalia doesn’t either.

      Heck, I’ve had people tell me they hold me at a higher level of blogging and I respect and appreciate their opionion. At the same time, it blows me a way because whether right or wrong to the average person, I’ve certainly never thought of my ramblings as special per se.

      • Navimie May 3, 2012 / 10:16 pm

        I aspire to be a blogger and writer like you. If only my writing made as much sense. And geez, I don’t think I have ever seen a typo in any of your posts.

        • JD Kenada May 4, 2012 / 6:23 am

          I’ve published typos…I just catch `em and quickly update them. I usually read my posts a few times before I publish them.

          Thank you for such kind words.

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